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	<title>Comments on: Time flies like an applicative functor</title>
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		<title>By: Martijn van Steenbergen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martijn van Steenbergen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that helps a lot. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that helps a lot. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Conor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martijn

My apologies my lack of clarity.

The De functor represents a fixed delay, rather than an arbitrary one. I&#039;m dividing time into discrete slices. De x is the type of an x due at the next slice. De (De x) is thus the type of an x due in two slices&#039; time, and you can&#039;t make it turn up any sooner!

By contrast, Venanzio Capretta&#039;s famed

{-co-}data General x = Now x &#124; Later (General x)

is a monad, with a join that joins up all the delays.

But that ain&#039;t my game here.

Does this make sense?

Cheers

Conor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martijn</p>
<p>My apologies my lack of clarity.</p>
<p>The De functor represents a fixed delay, rather than an arbitrary one. I&#8217;m dividing time into discrete slices. De x is the type of an x due at the next slice. De (De x) is thus the type of an x due in two slices&#8217; time, and you can&#8217;t make it turn up any sooner!</p>
<p>By contrast, Venanzio Capretta&#8217;s famed</p>
<p>{-co-}data General x = Now x | Later (General x)</p>
<p>is a monad, with a join that joins up all the delays.</p>
<p>But that ain&#8217;t my game here.</p>
<p>Does this make sense?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Conor</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn van Steenbergen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martijn van Steenbergen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear mr. C.,

You write: &quot;Structure cops will note that De is another example of an applicative functor which is not a monad — join would bring things from the far future to the near future, and that had better not be possible. &quot;

I haven&#039;t made a good effort yet at trying to understand the whole post, but that particular snippet doesn&#039;t sound very convincing to me—somewhat in the same way that an infinity of infinities isn&#039;t that much more of an infinity than a single one.

Is that a wrong way to look at it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear mr. C.,</p>
<p>You write: &#8220;Structure cops will note that De is another example of an applicative functor which is not a monad — join would bring things from the far future to the near future, and that had better not be possible. &#8221;</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t made a good effort yet at trying to understand the whole post, but that particular snippet doesn&#8217;t sound very convincing to me—somewhat in the same way that an infinity of infinities isn&#8217;t that much more of an infinity than a single one.</p>
<p>Is that a wrong way to look at it?</p>
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